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Thousands of posts expressing hate, extreme negativity, and psychological disturbance have been published on internet forums targeting Prem Rawat. The group responsible for these posts has a record of targeting organizations and individuals that support Prem Rawat's work. Since 2004, members of the group have become increasingly aware of their public image. These days they are less inclined to publish such obviously crazy material, however, the malice that drives their activities has apparently not diminished.

The 'ex-premie' group has often been termed a hate group due the hate speech and record of harassment by it's members. Differing opinions are expressed in this web page. The web master does not endorse or support the opinions of anyone associated with the group. Readers are encouraged to fully examine all available evidence, and to come to their own judgments accordingly. The web master of this site is not associated with any organization which assists Prem Rawat's work.


Is Prem Rawat being targeted by an organized hate group? Read some of their posts and decide for yourself.

This page contains obscene language.


This hate posting from 2001 is typical of threats to disrupt events at which Prem Rawat and his students may gather. Note the hateful reference to The Pope and the threats of physical violence.

Posted by: Salam
Feb 27, 2001 at 14:25:55
Look out, I'm coming
fuck you for disabling the back button and opening your site on the same page, you made me loose my bloody file you stupid idiot. Who taught you how to design websites you big fat ass Indian rip-off merchant son of a bitch. Even your mother suck, YOU GOT ME, you bastard poofta.
I am coming to Amaroo you mongrel and am going to ruin your fucking plans you shit head. You just wait until you start waffling on your first day and see where the shit gonna come flying at you, you murderer poof.
Better put yourself in a glass box like that other poofta the pope. I will be exepecting nothing less than you gracing me with a good look and a rub of them mighty boobs of yours, you little midget of a cunt.

Hell yeah I hate him!

13.05.2004 11:43 Posted on the Indimedia UK web site, May 2004.
The author has been a regular contributor to ex-premie forums.
Fer christs sake, am I supposed afraid of someone knowing I hate rawat? Seems a frightening thing to cult members that is for sure. The only way to stay in the cult is to revere the self proclaimed lord of the universe*. Is there a way to join a web site where the sole purpose is to find a way to kill rawat? What would I be labeled then? Apparently there are plenty of folks that want to take him out if we are to guess at why rawat has metal detectors and body and bag searches at his public talks. How many lord of the universes are there touring that have such need for security from thier followers as he speaks about truth?
Typical aint it? The cult recoils in horror at people having a genuine human feeling. The only allowed thought and feeling allowed is to -revere-appreciate-serve. For the rest of your life.
No graduation ceremonies in the cult is there.
bill burke
e-mail: deleted

* Prem Rawat has never proclaimed that he is "lord of the universe." If Mr Burke's diatribe is an expression of "genuine human feelings" I'm glad that I don't have them. There is no such thing as "allowed thought and feeling." Our thoughts and feelings are our own business.

This hate posting from 2000 originally named a student of Prem Rawat to try to float a baseless slander alleging improper sexual activity. The EPO hate group has used this and similar postings to prompt journalists to report allegations of sexual misconduct. Note that there is no attribution or way to contact the poster to verify the claim.

Posted by: Salam
Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 15:56:48
RAWAT you boofhead
Is it true that you read this forum at night after you have banged up [person's name deleted] and drank half a bottle of Jack Daniels?
Well I hope you chock on it you fat ugly greedy bastard. How does it feel that you're losing them faster than they come you mongrel puffer?
Did anyone close to you ever told you that you stink you moron, if not well I just said you fat tub of lard. I hope you fall and break your leg you greasy sleaze bag (Again, I felt like saying that in a moment of inspiration).

This 2000 hate posting is also typical of threats to disrupt events which feature Prem Rawat as keynote speaker. This posting also underscores how the hate group uses their forums as an organizing and meeting place under cover of anonymity.

Posted by: Anarchist
Sun, Mar 12, 2000 at 12:43:25
Get the rotten eggs and tomatoes ready
And be sure to inform all local press and radio/TV stations of the event(s).
We also need ex-premie 'plants' in the audience who will stand up and shout Maharaji down at the given signal.
Don't forget to inform the local dry cleaning shop that there will be a short, stout Indian man in need of their services to remove rotten egg and tomato stains from his suit.

Critics of Canadian lawyer Jim Heller say that this post expresses his pride in being branded a proponent of hate speech.

Posted by: Jim Heller
Tues, Feb 22, 2000 at 03:04:12
I hate premies -- and why not? Look at them'Hate' is such a funny word these days. Some PC policy wonks decided that after centuries of meaning simply a strong dislike or aversion to something or someone, 'hate' should now be reserved for crimes of racial bias or other such prejudice. Well fuck that. 'Hate' works perfectly fine the old way and that's how I'm using it.

This posting justifies and exhorts the use of violence. Note also that Prem Rawat receives no income from organizations supporting his work. Their financial records have been audited and no irregularities have ever been found. Claims to the contrary are baseless.

Posted by: Les T
12/21/2002, 16:04:21
Has anyone got a gun?
Nya's major donor info just appalls me to a point I think I just can't stand around passively doing nothing to stop this cult exploiting ordinary people.
To think I was so stupid as a poor single-parent to send monthly sums which I couldn't afford to enable the Rawat family to live in luxury. How many more poor premies contribute money which would be better spent on their kids. When I leave this world I doubt whether I will leave much for my son: I guess fatboy Rawat won't have that problem.
Has anyone got a gun!

Another EPO Hate Group posting that normalizes the use of violence with a coy just kidding tone. Hate speech experts say that vocalizing fantasies of violence is the first step towards carrying out attacks.

Posted by: PatD
Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 20:36:21 (EST)
Suicide mission
A telescopic blowpipe hidden in a a packet of Marlboro, with the curare tipped dart inside a pen.
Probably only work from the front row, kind of like a suicide mission for the perp. but shit,what a way to go......poooft.....I just offed the Lord of the Universe 'cos he's spent my trust fund & anyway he never said he was the Lord of the Universe, so I plead insanity.

This posting is a perfect example of cyber-terrorism. Hate group members plan to terrorize Prem Rawat's students by introducing an Anthrax-hoax into a crowded room. The anonymous posting helps evade law enforcement.

Posted by: Janet
Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 19:42:34 (EST)
Lets try Anthrax scare

Another example of harassment used by the ex-premie group is to threaten Prem Rawat's students with exposure as a member of a cult. Critics of Jim Heller allege that he led a concerted effort to harass a student of Prem Rawat at his place of employment. One critic stated, "Heller's justification was that because the student was known publicly, he deserved to have his employers bombarded with anonymous email and phone calls warning them that they had a cult member in their employ."

Posted by: Jim Heller
Email Address:
Do your employers know about you?
Hi (Name deleted), I wonder, have you told your colleagues at work that you follow the former Lord of the Universe?
See, now that your name's out there it's really only a matter of time before one of your 'highly successful' people stumbles upon you via some search engine or something. Hey, maybe it'll be a client, huh?

Here's another example by hate group member, Gerry Lyng. Lyng's threat was a stab in the dark. He had no way to confirm 'King's' real identity.

Posted: Mon, May 03, 2004 at 05:16:16 (EST)
Original: Mon, May 03, 2004 at 02:38:14 (EST)
Posted by: gerry Recipient: King
Email Address: Not Provided
Browser Type: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)
Message Count: 37 visits (37 today, 37 this week, 37 this month, 37 this year)
Subject: Hi (name deleted)
How's things at (employer's name deleted)? Did you tell them about the cult you are in? Bet they'd be interested.

The anonymity of the internet allows hate forums such as EPO to be the coordinating and planning center for illegal acts, such as planting microphones inside people's houses to violate their privacy. The fruit of ill-gotten material is often distributed through the EPO's anonymously sponsored web page. Again, anonymity helps them evade law-enforcement and accountability.

Posted by: Still Crazy
Fri, May 08, 1998 at 14:33:06 (EST)
Hide a microphone in their bedroom
Why don't you hide a microphone in M's bedroom, tape him and Marolyn having sex, make it into a RealAudio, and post it to the site?

Jim Heller's reply:

Posted by: Jim Heller
Fri, May 08, 1998 at 15:58:02 (EST)
fantastic idea!
Still, I think that's a fantastic idea!

The following posts provided the name, address and phone number of an Australian student of Prem Rawat, and included an invitation to harass him.

Posted: Fri, Jul 26, 2002 at 18:56:34 (PDT)
Original: Fri, Jul 26, 2002 at 18:42:56 (PDT)
Posted by: gerry
Recipient: Helena Docitch
Email Address: Not Provided
Browser Type: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)
Weather Sydney - Early frost inland. Sunny day. Max 19
Time NSW Time 11:32 am 27 July 2002
Results Listing 1 - 1 of 1
You have searched for: (name deleted) New South Wales Other Areas Residential
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Please note that no member of the 'ex-premie' group has ever been able to demonstrate or provide proof of any illegality or corrupt practice. However, at least two members of the group have been convicted of crimes. Neville Ackland served a jail term after being convicted of drug and firearms offenses. The statement about perversion of innocent young minds is typical of the propaganda used by members of the group.

Posted by: Nya Alison Murray
04/14/2004, 19:51:52
(edited by the web master)
....So my challenge to you who wonder if premies and ex-premies be friends, you miss the issue.
Premies by definition are supporting illegality, law breaking, corrupt practice and the attempted perversion of innocent young minds.
Keep that in mind next time you have a conversation with a Prem Rawat supporter.
Modified by Nya Alison Murray at Wed, Apr 14, 2004, 19:54:53

Do members of the hate group work together, actively conspiring to damage Prem Rawat's work and reputation?

Posted by: Bunny
05/02/2004, 00:10:25
Hi Sandford,
Rest assured that there is much focussed energy being spent to deal with Maharaji that is not posted about here. It would be rather counter-productive, as I am sure you would agree, to advertise all of this on a public forum.
Modified by Bunny at Sun, May 02, 2004, 00:18:48

Members of the ex-premie group claim to be performing a "public service." As the following post shows, their real motives include the desire to prevent Prem Rawat from holding events, and to damage organizations which assist his work - in this case, Ivory's Rock Conference Centre.

Posted by: Neville (Nevile Ackland)
10/31/2003, 02:52:39
I am busy turning adversity into a profound experience (as usual). I'll be out of here (JAIL) in 7 months older and wiser and in time to foil M's attempt to hold a successful event in September 2004.
Modified by Neville at Fri, Oct 31, 2003, 02:57:28

An example of a post demonstrating psychological disturbance:

Posted by: Cynthia
04/04/2004, 05:21:05
You know I love to swear because it's a sort of a release. Shit, I love swearing.
I am tempted so often here to tell someone off by saying 'you're a fucking braindead idiot, but I'm learning to bite my tongue or restrain my hands on the keyboard. I'm not perfect and I may do it again, but lately I'm the one who has felt so bad later for having done it.
One way that I relieve any frustrations I may have towards posters here that come to intrude is to swear at my monitor! Or, I chop wood or do some other physical exercise (while swearing) and it does relieve any anger I may be feeling. You know I love to swear because it's a sort of a release. Shit, I love swearing.
I don't want to be engaged in verbal abuse in my life anymore because I've had had enough of it. I'm trying to learn.

Gerry Lyng, former administrator of the group's forum 7, speaks about Cynthia's mental illness:

Posted: Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 04:48:18 (EST)
Original: Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 04:36:38 (EST)
Posted by: gerry Recipient: S******
Email Address: Not Provided
Browser Type: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)
Message Count: 36 visits (8 today, 36 this week, 36 this month, 36 this year)
Subject: You are exactly right
about M***. It was a mistake to even mention her name and I won't do it again. But we were talking about *cunts.*
Cynthia did not change personalities in the middle of an internet session. I remember clearly, as I was running the board back then and it truly shocked and disturbed me. She had been absent for a few days after some rather heated discussions and she returned as another personality.
I don't have ANY opions about MPD, expert or otherwise and I have never expressed an opinion on the subject. What are you talking about, dear?

The following posts are typical of the verbal abuse dished out by members of the ex-premie group.

Posted: Mon, May 03, 2004 at 06:16:12 (EST)
Original: Mon, May 03, 2004 at 06:10:10 (EST)
Posted by: gerry Recipient: King
Email Address: Not Provided
Browser Type: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)
Message Count: 50 visits (1 today, 3 this week, 50 this month, 50 this year)
Subject: You seem to focus on hate, Mr guru dick sucker
just what is 'effeminant' guitar playing, btw? Is it anything like guru retard one-step spastic dancing?


Posted: Mon, May 03, 2004 at 09:05:18 (EST)
Original: Mon, May 03, 2004 at 08:54:56 (EST)
Posted by: gerry Recipient: D******
Email Address: Not Provided
Browser Type: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)
Message Count: 14 visits (14 today, 14 this week, 14 this month, 14 this year)
Subject: We all have our crosses to bear D***
So how's your family? Hear from them lately? Like in the last twenty years or so? NO? You're too much of an ugly little wench of a wacko? Too bad, deary. Get yourself a nice new cardboard box and be cheerful; the nice weather is coming (even if you're not! LOL!)


"If you hate a person,
you hate something in him that is part of yourself.
What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us."

Herman Hesse

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